I have been writing a lot about editors recently. It’s odd, because my own relationship with editors has been wholly positive. They’ve made the books I’ve had edited infinitely more reader-friendly than they would otherwise have been.
But in a way I’d argue that those books are part of the problem, even though they’re mine.
And the problem is this. Working with a good editor is the best way to produce a very good book. We don’t need any more very good books. If there was never another very good book published, it would be no real loss. We need more bad books. A *lot* more bad books. People who dismiss the self-publishing boom because of the “unexpurgated dross” or whatever else they decide to call it have sort of missed the mark.
I remember reading a piece about induction during my time as an undergraduate studying Philosophy and Theology. Inductive reasoning is using the past to predict the future – the more times you’ve been to KFC and they’re out of wipes in the past, the more likely that if you go in the future they’ll be out of wipes then. That kind of thing. One of the problems with induction was archaeology. Specifically the kind that went digging up bones looking for the Missing Link. The problem was that induction told you the more bones you dug up that weren’t the missing link, the less likely any future bones were to be the missing link. But any MissingLinkologist worth their trowel would tell you that – so long as the wrong bones were the right kind of wrong bones then the opposite is true – the more you found of them the *more* likely you were to find the right right bones eventually. As it were.
You can see where this is going.
It’s going back to punk. And the '70s. Most punk music was dreadful. Really dreadful. First up, that didn’t matter. Punk wasn’t about being good. In fact, once the bands started caring what they sounded like, punk was pretty much dead. And second up, without the 99% of rubbish, the 1% of mind bending brilliance wouldn’t have existed.
And it’s the same with literature. The next great voice, the next Big Movement that comes along, will come out of the mire of slush swilling unfiltered around the internet. It will come from people who haven’t been taught How Not To Be Creative. It may well come from someone who can’t spell for toffee and doesn’t know an adverb from their arsehole. But it sure as anything won’t come from the “I want my manuscript to be so polished it sings into the ear of potential agents” school of writing.
Of course, literature doesn’t have to be “new”, and there’s more than a place for highly-polished, ultra-slick books. I love to indulge in a Lee Child or a Val McDermid as much as anyone. But I also want books that take me where I’ve never been, that turn my world upside down and shake me to my core. I want books by writers who believe in something, and for whom that belief, that hunger, that need to turn the world on its axis is as strong as their need to get a advance or hit the Amazon bestsellers list. I want to read their work before it’s been checked and balanced and OK'd and run past marketing.
There are theoretical reasons why I think editors are inimical to art that have to do with my “art is confessional” approach, but the practical reasons are as strong. Sometimes I want to sit down with a book and feel like the author is inside my head with all their filth and fury, screaming at me until I listen. I don’t want their dial turned down, I don’t want them more palatable, I don’t want their edges knocked off.
And there’s a moral in there for the cultural media as well. If you’re going to pretend to bring us, the reading public, the new, shocking, daring, dazzling, unmediated fist-fighting, pogo-dancing reality of contemporary literature, you have to broaden your horizons and look what’s happening in the world of 'zines and self-publishing. It’s fine if you don’t, but in that case at least have the decency to admit you’re playing it safe and don’t patronise your readers. And realise that it’s actually rather dangerous to our cultural well-being to take the watered-down and the acceptablised and pretend it’s the edgiest edge.
Dan Holloway is a spoken word performer and the author of several novels including the absolutely unedited The Man Who Painted Agnieszka’s Shoes and the unedited and unexpurgated collection of his performance shorts and poems (life:) razorblades included and is the curator of the literary project and publisher eight cuts gallery
Want More? Find out what Workshy Fop contributor and For Books' Sake Deputy Editrix Alex Herod had to say about eight cuts' recent publication, Zoom Zoom by Penny Goring.
What a refreshing view. I tend to agree with most of it, I'm afraid. Am I easily persuaded? Perhaps - but this has a lot of sense in it. Read it again tomorrow, and you will also discover that there are a lot of books that remain bad, even after they are edited and polished to the death Dan Holloway mentions. I think that's what the last paragraph means. Doesn't it, Dan?
ReplyDeleteLove this: 'It will come from people who haven’t been taught How Not To Be Creative. It may well come from someone who can’t spell for toffee and doesn’t know an adverb from their arsehole.'
ReplyDeleteGreat post.
Penny G.
I was all hackles up to argue with you, Dan. We do NOT need any more bad books. I stood in a London bookshop yesterday, staring at footballers' biographies, pink-glittered bilge about shopping and the output of the Patterson factory.
ReplyDeleteAnd worse than the obvious Tesco trash, serious literature can let you down. Two celebrated and well-reviewed books I finished this weekend - bad. Not awful, just weak and poorly written.
But, a while back, I found an author, drowning on a public review site, who wrote electric, stunning prose. Her whiplash writing was badly punctuated and ungrammatical and her formatting non-existent, but the most exciting, visceral and emotionally affecting I've ever read.
So ... yes, you're right, in some ways. The punk analogy holds. Most of it was utter crap. But it was new, it changed the cultural landscape and the occasional firework comes out of the moshpit.
A very well conceived and thought out point. I violently agree with 90 per cent of what you are saying- I just think there should be a demarcation between 'zines and self published books. This is entirely my opinion (and please tell me to do one) but 'zines are problematic as it now has a fairly strange policy on aesthetic; people spend time trying as hard as they can to make them look like they were done on a typewriter, cut up and photocopied. This in and of itself is not an issue- whatever gets you through the day, but surely if you are attempting to make something punk for the sake of punk you are buying into a really crass excuse to keep pritt stick in business and not born from a desperate and frustrated attempt to have your story read? Would it be better to view the self published book as a successor rather than a peer of the zine?
ReplyDeleteThere's a couple of comments over on Facebook. Thanks, Jill, for posting yours here. Roland has given me permission to do likewise. So, this is from Roland Denning:
ReplyDelete" No, we don't need more bad books. We want great, exciting books, books like we've never read before. I'm all for the fresh and the rough and outrageous.
But where I disagree with Dan is the implicit assumption that somewhere out there age...nts are taking exciting stuff and making it dull, that there is a conspiracy to make every thing bland. I think most agents want to be excited too. Moreover, I've yet to read an unpublished book that could not be improved by good editing (and made worse by bad editing) - any editing process that removes the essential creative part of a work is simply inept/misjudged editing.
And sometimes editors need to encourage writers to take more risks, to cut through the clichés and the platitudes and the hackneyed phrases that, to be honest, are as common in the writers that think they are 'indie' as the ones that are part of the mainstream. As Letitita says, the demonisation of editors is not a good thing - in many cases, shunning editors is a retreat for weak writers who don't want to be challenged, who can't face the fact their work can be improved, who can't face the fact that there original insights might not be that original at all (I know because I've been there).
Yes, there's a lot of bland, dull writing out there and there is a huge market for it (and you can't blame publishers for delivering it). But that's an argument for more great books. Surely!"
Rosanne - thank you. I think the frustration I was showing in the last paragraph is the way we often see the media portray things as raw and edgy, or as "the best" when they have only based it on a tiny sample.
ReplyDeleteThat you, Pen? Um, anyone who's reading who wants to see right where the edge is, take a look at Penny's blog http://proudbeam.tumblr.com (and her book, The Zoom Zoom - Thom's put a link).
Jill, that's exactly the experience I mean. I think it's just not good enough for us to say "OK, but only the good ones" - we have to encourage a culture that tells people it's OK to put stuff out there even if it's crap (that doesn't use the word crap, even) because we have *no idea* where the next great work will come from, and if we make any restrictive presuppositions we could lose it.
ReplyDeleteNick, that's a very good point. There is nothing so unpunk as retro-chic. I should probably say handmade - there are some really great things going on in the handmade world - take a look at http://eightcuts.com/2010/12/03/toronto-poetry-vendors/ and http://eightcuts.com/2010/08/28/oh-good-grief/ - and this is more zine than handmade but it's pretty cool: http://eightcuts.com/2010/09/27/ornaglyphology/
ReplyDeleteFrom Letitia Coyne:
ReplyDelete"Dan, you know your audience and you know your authors. Everything you say is true for the visceral, finger up the orifice of your choice, screaming inside writers, and the readers who love to read that sort of intensity. Most of us like to ...dip into it from time to time. It’s bright, ugly beautiful graffiti.
But the majority or readers and the majority of writers, as in all majorities, are pretty much colourless.
And lordy how much do we NOT need more bad colourless books. If I read one more bland, beige, cold porridge, mud ‘story’ I will explode. I cannot even throw our wonderful new technology at the wall.
This has nothing to do with writers’ skill with words. Many, most, independent authors I’ve read lately have been talented. But they cobble together 'some' blocks of narrative essentials into a wall to bang your head against.
And because editors have been demonized in the digital space, and because many writers do not believe anyone has the right to challenge their artistic choices, this maze of grey walled, single perspective, distorted, boring storytelling is constantly expanding. It is not overly polished, it is just flat.
We don’t need editors working for imprints that narrowly define reader expectation, that’s why there is so much crap on the print shelves. They will take bad writing to formula over good writing that deviates. But we do need good eyes that can see where an author is stagnating and have a full and frank discussion on the matter. Authors need more than one set of eyes and a mate who writes is not ideal.
I’ve been reading too much so this is at screaming pitch, but boy – do we not need more bad books."
Letitia, on your first point, I think you're right. 99% of books would be fine with an editor because they set out to be something very specific and an editor can help immensely with that. I guess I'm talking about the awful excuse for literary fiction we seem to have pumped at us that emphasises balance and careful structure, "just right" characterisation and "beautiful turns of phrase". I'm not really saying that should be unedited either, because that would be beyond dreadful. I'm saying it shouldn't be presented as the paradigm
ReplyDeleteRoland, I agree with you most of the way, although I think at the very ragged edge you probably err on the lenient side towards editing, and I don't think the actual process of writer-editor back and forth is a good one sometimes. As you know, I have theoretical objections, but this isn't the thread for that!
ReplyDeleteLet us not get too hung up on the punk ethic - as much as I loved it (and I'm old enough to have seen the Sex Pistols live), it did all happen 35 years ago and it was a very specific reaction to a moribund music industry.
ReplyDeleteAdding to Dan's points, if you are young/wild/iconoclastic/subversive why bother with the novel? The novel is a conservative 19th form that peaked in last century. Readers bring to it a whole set of expectations and the industry around it is massively competitive and restrictive.
There are so many other ways to write, to express yourself or to perform why knock your head against the walls of someone else's prison?
Thank you for directing me to your post, Dan. It's great - very interesting and thought-provoking. The whole of this discussion hinges on what counts as bad, of course.
ReplyDeleteThe example you give of writing that you think editors would consider bad is something visceral, exciting and with something to say. That's not what most editors would consider bad! Spelling can be fixed (and it aids the reader - remember, not all readers speak English as a first language, some are dyslexic, they struggle with non-conventional spelling). If it were the case that publishers always shy away from such writing, we would have nothing by John Clare, nothing by James Joyce, nothing by Russell Hoban...
Think, instead, of a sub-Mills and Boon romance (or whatever), something that does not follow the usual patterns of its genre not because it's experimental or untutored but because it's incompetent and the writer doesn't have the native talent to see it doesn't work, something that is full of grammatical and spelling errors but contains no passion, no message, no voice dying to be heard. That is the majority of the crap that clogs the slush pile and is likely to be making its way to the online slush pile.
You are looking at the exciting, edgy stuff - you know that's what you want. Brilliant. But for people who want a cosy romance/thriller/crime novel - lots of people do, not me, but lots do - they want good ones (good by the definitions of the genre they have chosen). If I were an 80-year-old man who who likes cowboy stories I would resent wasting any of my remaining reading years finding most of the cowboy stories I looked at online were 'experimental' with no plot resolution and ill-defined characters. I'd go back to the shelf of cowboy stories in Smiths, and that's a shame. It increases the digital disenfranchisement of the groups of society who are not trendy. These people are not well served by there being more bad books.
While there may be a cultural and socio-historic good served by making everything available, for the individual reader it makes it harder to find the good stuff - the writing the reader wants to read.
There was some effort involved in producing and releasing a punk album (good or bad), but there is no effort involved in e-publishing a crap book. So instead of 1% good in 99% bad, it's likely to be 0.0001% good. Good new people may be *more* likely to be lost in the noise!
Hmm, that's a very interesting point, especially as I will concede that most of what is out there in the slowly melting e-slush is genre fiction. I don't know enough about most genres to start speculating on the possible emergence of sparkling new voices from amongst that slush, but I have noticed that genre fiction of all kinds has quickly developed a network of online review and discussion sites that will help the 80 year old guy looking for cowboy novels.
ReplyDeleteI think I disagree with you that it would be a bad thing for readers to be thrown back onto the shelves of WHSMith (because I think in practice you'll actually get an oscillation, and end up i a few years with some great small online presses picking thigs up from the ether), but you do raise important questions, in particular:
- whether one group of readers is more *important* than another, and if it is impossible to serve all, whcih should be given highets priority
- how we should encourage writers to think of themselves.
I tend to the view that writers should be able to hear voices of all kinds and decide over time which chimes best with what they actually want from their writing - and once that choice is made they should be free to follow it without feeling the pressure to squeeze into another shape of box - and should seek out others doing likewise and grow in the grist that arises with them - which in theory leaves a place for all kinds of writer and reader, though I realise things never work out like the theory.
I will say that having written a thriller (which I will admit I self-published because I was in dire financial straits - and for helping us pay the rent for a crucial three or four months I will be forever grateful to it), I find myself under immense internal and external pressure (from things as diverse as the kick it gave me to see my book in Blackwell's yesterday on their "Best Books of 2011" table and knowing I would never have got my odd little poems in teh store, to regular invitations to join time-sapping collectives and promotional ventures, but only in my thriller-writing capacity) to "just write another one" and not mess around with slam poetry and pasted travelogues or the various other things I'm loving doing that will never sell a single copy.